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		<title>By: Dave Tainer</title>
		<link>http://yaqin.slickpepper.org.uk/amplifiers/mc-84l/comment-page-1#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Tainer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case anyone is interested, I thought I would report my findings on some tube rolling I&#039;ve done on my MC-84L. My previous amp was a MingDa that had come with all Chinese tubes. Changing most of them had no effect except in one slot, and that was when I put in a Russian tube. Since that experience, I have favored Russian tubes because of their quality and low-cost on the market (both eBay and other sources). So when I bought my Yaqin, I purchased 4 x 6n14p to put in immediately, and already owned Sovtek 2 x 12ax7 LPS.

So when it arrived, the first thing I checked was the provenance of the tubes supplied. To my pleasant surprise, it came with Russian 6n14p OTK (military equivalents)! The 12ax7 were Chinese. In this configuration, it sounded great. I kept the Chinese tubes in for several weeks to see if the character would change over time--it did not.

My first switch was to put in the Sovtek LPS. This made a little difference, but mostly very subtle, and mostly in the high end, which was ever so slightly better defined.

After another few weeks with these, I had in the meantime purchased brand new JJ/Tesla ECC803S and two NOS RCA. I next rolled in the NOS RCA (from the codes on them, they appeared to be from the &#039;70s). I couldn&#039;t really tell much of a difference with the Sovteks. I left them in for a few days and thought that some of that high-end &quot;shimmer&quot; was missing from the sound now.

I next put in the JJ/Tesla ECC803S. These were my new favorite, although again, the sound was still more or less like the original Chinese Tubes, though closer to the Sovtek LPS, but a very slight subtly better high-end. I left these in for a couple of months and enjoyed listening to music.

The last change and current preamp section tubes is with used Telefunkens. I had in my tube stock from my previous amp a single Telefunken ECC83. I finally got a &quot;good&quot; deal on another single on eBay ($20 w/shipping), so now I had a match. Again, there was no amazing difference, but there is definitely a very subtle improvement in overall definition of music. I&#039;ll probably keep these in until they burn out, but I won&#039;t miss them terribly when they do: none of my backups are bad, and the worst are merely good.

As for the power tubes, I tried the Russian NOS 6p14p, brand new JJ/Tesla EL84, and brand new TAD EL84. I could discern no noticeable difference. They were all uniformly excellent and the music sounded the same: same bit of warmth, detail, bass, mids and high end. Of all the tubes rolled, only with the preamp tubes did I get any difference at all, and even that was minimal.

For reference purposes, my sources were: Music Sever &gt; V-DAC; Rega Planar 3 w/Super Elys 2 &gt; Bellari Rolls VP29. My speakers are Klipsch KG2 (91db horn-loaded and passive radiator, 4ohm taps on amp used).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case anyone is interested, I thought I would report my findings on some tube rolling I&#8217;ve done on my MC-84L. My previous amp was a MingDa that had come with all Chinese tubes. Changing most of them had no effect except in one slot, and that was when I put in a Russian tube. Since that experience, I have favored Russian tubes because of their quality and low-cost on the market (both eBay and other sources). So when I bought my Yaqin, I purchased 4 x 6n14p to put in immediately, and already owned Sovtek 2 x 12ax7 LPS.</p>
<p>So when it arrived, the first thing I checked was the provenance of the tubes supplied. To my pleasant surprise, it came with Russian 6n14p OTK (military equivalents)! The 12ax7 were Chinese. In this configuration, it sounded great. I kept the Chinese tubes in for several weeks to see if the character would change over time&#8211;it did not.</p>
<p>My first switch was to put in the Sovtek LPS. This made a little difference, but mostly very subtle, and mostly in the high end, which was ever so slightly better defined.</p>
<p>After another few weeks with these, I had in the meantime purchased brand new JJ/Tesla ECC803S and two NOS RCA. I next rolled in the NOS RCA (from the codes on them, they appeared to be from the &#8217;70s). I couldn&#8217;t really tell much of a difference with the Sovteks. I left them in for a few days and thought that some of that high-end &#8220;shimmer&#8221; was missing from the sound now.</p>
<p>I next put in the JJ/Tesla ECC803S. These were my new favorite, although again, the sound was still more or less like the original Chinese Tubes, though closer to the Sovtek LPS, but a very slight subtly better high-end. I left these in for a couple of months and enjoyed listening to music.</p>
<p>The last change and current preamp section tubes is with used Telefunkens. I had in my tube stock from my previous amp a single Telefunken ECC83. I finally got a &#8220;good&#8221; deal on another single on eBay ($20 w/shipping), so now I had a match. Again, there was no amazing difference, but there is definitely a very subtle improvement in overall definition of music. I&#8217;ll probably keep these in until they burn out, but I won&#8217;t miss them terribly when they do: none of my backups are bad, and the worst are merely good.</p>
<p>As for the power tubes, I tried the Russian NOS 6p14p, brand new JJ/Tesla EL84, and brand new TAD EL84. I could discern no noticeable difference. They were all uniformly excellent and the music sounded the same: same bit of warmth, detail, bass, mids and high end. Of all the tubes rolled, only with the preamp tubes did I get any difference at all, and even that was minimal.</p>
<p>For reference purposes, my sources were: Music Sever &gt; V-DAC; Rega Planar 3 w/Super Elys 2 &gt; Bellari Rolls VP29. My speakers are Klipsch KG2 (91db horn-loaded and passive radiator, 4ohm taps on amp used).</p>
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		<title>By: Kryn</title>
		<link>http://yaqin.slickpepper.org.uk/amplifiers/mc-84l/comment-page-1#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>Kryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I mention. I don&#039;t think the transistor in the design should put off purists. The transistor appears to perform auto bias adjustment (I could be wrong as I am not an electrician by any standards),  which can only benefit sound in this case. the alternative i manual adjustment, which is resistors and caps, which to me seems not wise since you have to keep checking your amp on a yearly basis and replace components as the tubes degrades over time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I mention. I don&#8217;t think the transistor in the design should put off purists. The transistor appears to perform auto bias adjustment (I could be wrong as I am not an electrician by any standards),  which can only benefit sound in this case. the alternative i manual adjustment, which is resistors and caps, which to me seems not wise since you have to keep checking your amp on a yearly basis and replace components as the tubes degrades over time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Ashby</title>
		<link>http://yaqin.slickpepper.org.uk/amplifiers/mc-84l/comment-page-1#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Ashby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Oliver. You can tame the LED by putting a resistor in series. You can either calculate the voltage requirement using ohm&#039;s law or an online calculator http://led.linear1.org/1led.wiz or just try some values. As you&#039;ll be increasing resistance and current flow will be minimal the worst than can happen is that it doesn&#039;t get dim enough (increase value). Headphone impedance can be approximately judged by measuring the resistance of the headphone output with an ohmeter. As for turntables, you&#039;ll need a phono preamp of some kind - this is a big subject but to get you started you can but cheap ones for less than £30 on ebay.

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Oliver. You can tame the LED by putting a resistor in series. You can either calculate the voltage requirement using ohm&#8217;s law or an online calculator <a href="http://led.linear1.org/1led.wiz" rel="nofollow">http://led.linear1.org/1led.wiz</a> or just try some values. As you&#8217;ll be increasing resistance and current flow will be minimal the worst than can happen is that it doesn&#8217;t get dim enough (increase value). Headphone impedance can be approximately judged by measuring the resistance of the headphone output with an ohmeter. As for turntables, you&#8217;ll need a phono preamp of some kind &#8211; this is a big subject but to get you started you can but cheap ones for less than £30 on ebay.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://yaqin.slickpepper.org.uk/amplifiers/mc-84l/comment-page-1#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello I have a new amp and am really enjoying it but the blue LED is driving me mad.  Can you tell me where I can find instructions to change it?  I would also like to hook up a turntable.  Any advice on how I can do this.  Mine has a headphone jack too.  How can I determine the impedance?  Thx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello I have a new amp and am really enjoying it but the blue LED is driving me mad.  Can you tell me where I can find instructions to change it?  I would also like to hook up a turntable.  Any advice on how I can do this.  Mine has a headphone jack too.  How can I determine the impedance?  Thx.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://yaqin.slickpepper.org.uk/amplifiers/mc-84l/comment-page-1#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Corrado,

What a good news !!!!!!! Many thanks for the info. The tubes I will received are Russian NOS 6P14P. I will try Mullard later when i get money :-) Thanks again. Regards. Chris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Corrado,</p>
<p>What a good news !!!!!!! Many thanks for the info. The tubes I will received are Russian NOS 6P14P. I will try Mullard later when i get money <img src='http://yaqin.slickpepper.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks again. Regards. Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: Corrado infarinato</title>
		<link>http://yaqin.slickpepper.org.uk/amplifiers/mc-84l/comment-page-1#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Corrado infarinato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Chris

Using el84 unmatched tubes will be ok because the yaqin amplifier, has auto bias for the el84 tubes, so it will automatically match the tubes bias and match them. Just be careful with chinese tubes, they are not very good quality. Try these following tubes MULLARD EL84,JJ ELECTRONICS, TELEFUNKEN. ALSO OTHER TUBES WHICH I FIND VERY GOOD AND CHEAP RUSSIAN 6P14P WORK GREAT IN THE YAQIN AMPLIFIER. sorry the tubes are 6P14P not 6n14p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Chris</p>
<p>Using el84 unmatched tubes will be ok because the yaqin amplifier, has auto bias for the el84 tubes, so it will automatically match the tubes bias and match them. Just be careful with chinese tubes, they are not very good quality. Try these following tubes MULLARD EL84,JJ ELECTRONICS, TELEFUNKEN. ALSO OTHER TUBES WHICH I FIND VERY GOOD AND CHEAP RUSSIAN 6P14P WORK GREAT IN THE YAQIN AMPLIFIER. sorry the tubes are 6P14P not 6n14p</p>
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		<title>By: Corrado infarinato</title>
		<link>http://yaqin.slickpepper.org.uk/amplifiers/mc-84l/comment-page-1#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Corrado infarinato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Chris

Using el84 unmatched tubes will be ok because the yaqin amplifier, has auto bias for the el84 tubes, so it will automatically match the tubes bias and match them. Just be careful with chinese tubes, they are not very good quality. Try these following tubes MULLARD EL84,JJ ELECTRONICS, TELEFUNKEN. ALSO OTHER TUBES WHICH I FIND VERY GOOD AND CHEAP RUSSIAN 6N14P WORK GREAT IN THE YQIN AMPLIFIER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Chris</p>
<p>Using el84 unmatched tubes will be ok because the yaqin amplifier, has auto bias for the el84 tubes, so it will automatically match the tubes bias and match them. Just be careful with chinese tubes, they are not very good quality. Try these following tubes MULLARD EL84,JJ ELECTRONICS, TELEFUNKEN. ALSO OTHER TUBES WHICH I FIND VERY GOOD AND CHEAP RUSSIAN 6N14P WORK GREAT IN THE YQIN AMPLIFIER.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

Does anybody knows if i can use 4 El84 if not matched what will happen ???
What about the bias for thos amp?
Many thanks....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>Does anybody knows if i can use 4 El84 if not matched what will happen ???<br />
What about the bias for thos amp?<br />
Many thanks&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Corrado</title>
		<link>http://yaqin.slickpepper.org.uk/amplifiers/mc-84l/comment-page-1#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Corrado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello i got my step down made custom from a technician. I have known him for many years and he is the only person i trust with my hi end audio. His name is {KIMIL ELETRONICS} 

He is located in belmore here is info below

KIMIL ELECTRONICS
ELCTRONICS REPAIR AND SERVICES
220 GEORGES RIVER ROAD
CROYDON PARK NSW 2133
PH:9799 3019 FAX:9799 3688

HIS NAME IS Kimil HE IS THE MOST HONEST AND KINDEST PERSON. 

Thank you Corrado</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello i got my step down made custom from a technician. I have known him for many years and he is the only person i trust with my hi end audio. His name is {KIMIL ELETRONICS} </p>
<p>He is located in belmore here is info below</p>
<p>KIMIL ELECTRONICS<br />
ELCTRONICS REPAIR AND SERVICES<br />
220 GEORGES RIVER ROAD<br />
CROYDON PARK NSW 2133<br />
PH:9799 3019 FAX:9799 3688</p>
<p>HIS NAME IS Kimil HE IS THE MOST HONEST AND KINDEST PERSON. </p>
<p>Thank you Corrado</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Floyd-Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Floyd-Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply Corrado (Great name. I had a 16 valve Corrado. Best car I ever owned). Where did you get your step down made? I was thinking of ordering one that runs off 110v volts, which is an official option, and getting a step down from maplins for £40.00.
Regards.
Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply Corrado (Great name. I had a 16 valve Corrado. Best car I ever owned). Where did you get your step down made? I was thinking of ordering one that runs off 110v volts, which is an official option, and getting a step down from maplins for £40.00.<br />
Regards.<br />
Rick</p>
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